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Mansfield Genealogy |
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Dr Geoffrey Mann |
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2 Alice MANSFIELD 1879-1961 |
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m Thomas SHORT 1902 |
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Alice Mansfield was born in 1879 at 7 Mape Street Bethnal Green. Her father was a master carman, operating from a cabby's yard in nearby Seabright St. Her brother died in infancy and only one sister survived. The two girls were treated very badly by their mother who became an alcoholic. She moved with her parents first to Walthamstow and then to Camden Town when the carman’s business came to an end in 1900.
She married Tom Short at Camden Town in 1902. The family story is that Tom saved her when she ran down the road with her apron on fire after being attacked by her mother. This must have been in Bethnal Green, as Tom Short did not live in Walthamstow or Camden Town. Alice called him her “knight in shining armour”.
Tom became a manager of an oil and colour shop in Salmon Lane market, Stepney and six children were born there while the family lived over the shop, though the first-born died when a year old. In December 1915 Tom joined the army to serve on the Western Front. Their youngest daughter was just one year old and the oldest was nine, but Alice looked after the shop as well as her five children until Tom returned in Feb 1919
After the war, Thomas continued as manager of the shop until about 1922 when the chain of shops closed. Thomas and Alice moved to Manor Park with their family, living in a house owned by Thomas' brother Samuel. Alice’s mother died in 1925 and Alice’s father, Frank Mansfield, came to live with her until his death in 1933.
In the second world war, the house at Manor Park was bombed. No-one was injured, but Thomas and Alice moved to Dover Rd, Wanstead to live in their daughter Rose's house. Alice died of pneumonia in 1961 aged 81 and Thomas died of the same cause just four months later.
Alice had a strong personality unlike her gentle husband Tom. It is said that she suffered from TB in the days when she was managing the shop and the children, curing herself by going for long walks in the early hours when the air was still clean. She was rather deaf in later years but was always in command of herself - and Tom
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31Jul1879 3Apr1881 1 5Apr1891 11 31Mar1901 21 c 1902 22 21Dec1902 23 24 28Sep1904 25 26 2q1905 26 27 12Jul1906 27 28 21Dec1908 29 30 16Nov1910 31 32 11Jul1912 33 34 1Aug1914 35 36 10Dec1915 36 37 20feb1919 37 38 c.1922 43 44 16Dec1925 46 47 27Aug1933 54 55 c.1944 65 66 15Feb1961 81 82 |
born at 7 Mape St census: with parents at 7 Mape St; father a master carman with parents at 1a Seabright St with parents in Walthamstow; no occupation recorded moved to Camden Town with parents m Thomas William SHORT at Camden Town, from 28 Georgiana St son Thomas Frank born son Thomas Frank died dau Alice Frances born dau Nellie Deborah born at Dixon St, Limehouse; T an oilmans manager dau Rose Margaret born at 148a Salmon Lane; T an oilmans manager son Ernest George born dau Ivy Ethel born husband Tom joined army and served on front in France; Alice ran the oilshop husband Tom released from Army oilshop closed, moved to Manor Park (last entry of oilshop in PO directory) Alice’s mother died; her father came to live with her Alice’s father died bombed out of home in Manor Park, moved to daughter Rose's house in Dover Rd Wanstead died in Whipps Cross Hospital; Tom died 4 months later |
b=born m=married d=died
C=Christened B=Buried
b 31Jul1879 Alice MANSFIELD girl at 7 Mape St; fa: Francis MANSFIELD carman; mo: Frances Rebecca MANSFIELD formerly YOUNG
r 10Sep1879 at Church, Bethnal Green, MDX by F R MANSFIELD father of 7 Mape St Bethnal Green
m 21Dec1902 at Camden Town Parish Church after banns
Thomas_William_SHORT bch 24, oilman of 18 Archer St, & Alice MANSFIELD spr 23 of 28 Georgiana St
fa: Thomas_William_SHORT, oilman; Francis MANSFIELD, wheelwright; wit: Samuel_SHORT, Helena MANSFIELD
b 28Sep1904 Thomas Frank; d 2q1905 (GRO index) meningitis?
b 12Jul1906 Alice Frances; m W.PROUT; d c.1974
b 21Dec1908 Nellie Deborah at 22 Dixon St, Limehouse; m R W STEVENSON
b 16Nov1910 Rose Margaret at 148a Salmon Lane; m A FRENCH
b 11Jul1912 Ernest George m Gladys WINDOW
b 1Aug1914 Ivy Ethel m A.SAUNDERS
b 25Oct1904 Thomas Frank SHORT; r 25Oct1904 at Limehouse, Stepney (short certificate)
b 21Dec1908 Nellie Deborah girl at 22 Dixon St; fa: Thomas William SHORT, oilman's manager; mo: Alice SHORT formerly MANSFIELD
r 28Jan1909 by T.W SHORT father, of 22 Dixon St, Limehouse, at Limehouse, Stepney LND
b 16Nov1910 Rose Margaret SHORT girl at 148a Salmon Lane; fa: Thomas William SHORT oilmans manager; mo: Alice SHORT formerly MANSFIELD
r 21Dec1910 by T.W SHORT father of 148a Salmon Lane at Limehouse, Stepney
d 15Feb1961 Alice SHORT age 81 of 5 Dover Rd Wanstead, wife of Thomas William SHORT shop manager retired
at Whipps Cross Hospital Leytonstone, of broncho-pneumonia
r 16Feb1961 at Forest, Essex South Western, by R.M.FRENCH, daughter, of 5 Dover Rd, E12
d 12Jun1961 Thomas William SHORT age 82 of 5 Dover Rd Wanstead, oil and colour merchants manager (retired)
at Whipps Cross Hospital Leytonstone of broncho-pneumonia
r 13Jun1961 at Forest, Essex South Western by R M FRENCH, daughter, of 5 Dover Rd E12
Frank MANSFIELD he mar 26 1854 master carman Bethnal Green
Frances MANSFIELD wi mar 24 1856 Kirtlington OXF
George MANSFIELD br 12 1868 scholar Bethnal Green
Alice MANSFIELD da 2 1878 Bethnal Green
Frank MANSFIELD so 1 1879 Bethnal Green
John WILLOUGHBY lo unm 22 1858 ostler Whitechapel
Francis MANSFIELD he mar 37 1854 cab proprietor (groom); employer 4 rooms Bethnal Green
Frances MANSFIELD wi mar 35 1856 Kirtlington OXF
Alice MANSFIELD da 11 1880 scholar Bethnal Green
Helena MANSFIELD da 9 1882 scholar Bethnal Green
Martha BADSEY vi mar 47 1844 dressmaker Forest Hill OXF; neither
John HARRIS he mar 56 1835 fishmonger; neither Bethnal Green
Sarah HARRIS wi mar 48 1843 Carfew{?} British subject
Agnes E CONEY sd sin 21 1870 general servant domestic Shoreditch
Francis MANSFIELD he mar 46 1855 cab driver worker London, Bethnal Green
Frances MANSFIELD wi mar 44 1857 Oxford, Kirtlington
Alice MANSFIELD da sin 21 1880 London, Bethnal Green
Helena MANSFIELD da sin 17 1884 upholsterer (trimming) worker London, Bethnal Green
next to: Charles 25 & Annie HOWARD 23 and son, carpenter, b New Chesterton, Cambs
also : Maria HOMIG 56 b Germany and 2 children Arthur 27, Anna 15, both b London
Dalgleish St Infants (1911-1923 records at Met.Arch)
Name No. Admitted Father Last Left To/Reason
Nellie 2069 3Jun1912 Thomas none 26May1915 Girl's Dept
Rose 2318 23Feb1914 " oilman's assistant " 27Mar1918 "
Ernest 2648 12Sep1916 " oilman " 28Mar1918 Boy's Dept
Ivy 2897 9Sep1918 " soldier " 1Nov1918 under age
" " 20Nov1918 " " 28Oct1921 Girl's Dept
Dalgleish St Girls (1894 - 1924 records at GLRO)
Name No. Admitted Parent d.o.b Last Left To
Alice 3534 31Mar1913 Thomas 148a Salmon Lane 12Jul1906 Infants 20Jul1920
Nellie 3688 29Mar1915 " " 21Dec1908 " ---------
Rose 3804 8Apr1918 " " 16Nov1910 " 28Mar1923 Thomas St
Ivy 3992 4Nov1921 " " 1Aug1914 " 23Oct1925 Removed to Forest Gate
Thomas St Central Girls (1908 - 1923 records at GLRO)
Name No. Admitted Father d.o.b Last Left
Rose Margaret 4167 25Apr1922 Thomas William, oilman, 16Nov1910 Dalgleish St 21Jul1926 to obtain post
148a Salmons Lane Limehouse highest standard: 5th year